Are graduates stealing your jobs?

Posted on October 23rd, 2009 by Sarah Jones

Over the past year The IT Job Board has picked up on an underlying sentiment from IT Professionals in the market that they are either being made redundant or missing out on job opportunities to lesser qualified, less experienced candidates who are willing to work for less.

Is this really the case? Are higher skilled IT professionals just not needed or are employers sacrificing the expertise and knowledge their business needs in order to save money?

And what happens to those with more experience? Should you accept a position with a much lower salary? Are you expected to use only half your knowledge, to not be challenged and to not develop in your day to day working life?

The IT Job Board decided to find out.

You get what you pay for

According to recruitment consultants that we spoke to, employers will shell out for specific, niche skill sets such as Coldfusion or PHP5 even if it means the expense of using an agent to find the right person for the job. However a skill such as project management is much more common in the marketplace and the number of candidates on the market has rocketed since the onset of the recession.

In this situation hiring managers are faced with plenty of choice, and with budgets under scrutiny the outcome is inevitable: candidates who have the relevant skills but little or no experience will be able to do the job but will expect a lower salary. But in doing so employers could be trading off quality for cost efficiency.

However, if you speak to recent graduates, so many of them are unemployed, doing internships or working in a completely different industry just to earn a living. An article published in the Times three days ago described just how dire the situation for future graduates is looking, as an extra 80,000 students are expected to flood the market and will be competing for graduate jobs within the next three years.

Over-qualified or ageist?

From our research it seemed there were in fact two issues being unearthed here.

The first is that the recession has probably forced IT professionals to apply for jobs they may well be over-qualified for.

The second issue that has emerged when researching this topic is whether or not being ‘over-qualified’ is an excuse for companies being ageist. We had many comments in the ‘Have your Say’ section on the blog when we posted a question about this, and this has resurfaced this week.

One comment from an IT professional was: ‘I have requested feedback where I have not got an interview for a position and been told I was over-qualified. Whether there was also an undercurrent of ageism as well is difficult to judge (I don’t indicate my age on my CV but an approximation can be gathered from work history).

After 18 months still trying to get back into work I suppose I would have to say the biggest issue is in convincing recruiters. Many do not recognise my Chartered award and so an easy option for them is to opt for graduates where they at least (in theory) have an inkling of the candidate’s potential.’

Ageism became officially illegal following the introduction of new legislation in 2006, which means that there is very little evidence given that no employer would want to admit to having reservations about a candidate’s age. So the evidence we come across is primarily anecdotal and it is difficult to decipher the extent to which ageism in IT plays a part in preventing an IT pro from being employed.

Yet Stephen Lytle, Sr. Technical Recruiter, feels in many cases managers truly believe a candidate is over-qualified.

‘In my opinion, there are few things more frustrating than being told you are too good for a position. I am sure others agree, but being that I am in a position to understand the hiring managers’ point of view, I will share it with you.

‘There are a few reasons why managers will not hire overqualified candidates. The first, and essentially most important, being that overqualified candidates will be bored with the work they are doing and will jump ship to a new and better opportunity as soon as it presents itself. Getting the budget approved for a new position, sorting through resumes, interviewing candidates, extending an offer, and taking an employee on board is very time intensive. The hiring manager only wants to do this one time, so all red flags will be addressed to prevent this process from having to be repeated.

Additionally, managers feel they will be pressured to provide that employee opportunity for advancement to meet their skills and abilities. Essentially, they hired you for a specific role and want to fill that role, by promoting you they will once again have to fill that role.

Finally, it is less common but managers feel that a candidate who comes in with an abundance of experience will want to do things their way. Whether this is true or not will be determined later, but as I said, managers want to prevent challenges as much as possible.’

But surely an older worker would be more settled and reliable than a rookie looking for a leg up to the next rung on their career ladder.

The fight for a job

It appears that initial career prospects for recent IT graduates and those graduating in the near future are not that great. The recession, lack of job openings and the abundance of candidates on the market means the sheer volume of applications employers receive is enormous and varies from the very highly skilled and experienced to the novice IT worker.

So it seems graduates are not necessarily stealing your jobs but if a graduate is capable of carrying out the role, is eager to land their first job and, more importantly, will accept a lower salary, they provide strong competition for the more experienced.

But what remains unclear is whether or not hiring lower skilled IT professionals in order to scrimp on the budget is becoming a growing trend or if this is just a temporary measure until the recession passes. And even if this is just for the interim, in the long term will this have a lasting impact? Will companies compromising the level of service for cheaper labour hinder business?

But we cannot forget that there is value in taking on graduates and normally there is a place in the market for every level. However the current conditions mean we are faced with a surplus of candidates on the market and fewer jobs.

But according to The Times, the government’s aim for 50% of school leavers to continue their education to degree level, could result in the surplus of IT professionals remaining even when the market picks up again.

So I put it to you, what can be done to help IT grads find a place in the market and how can we win what could be an ongoing battle with an excess of jobseekers in the future too?

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Posted on October 23, 2009 by LeftGnome

I’ve experienced this phenomenon of hiring inexperienced grads. On the one hand I would commend firms for having an active policy of hiring grads. The talent pipeline needs to be kept primed, training tomorrows engineers and managers, etc. On the other hand I have seen a lot of positions filled by people who do not have the skills or experience to properly execute the position. In one recent case, an entire key team was staffed up with grads who had less than one year’s experience average. Even this would not be the end of the world, as long as leadership, mentoring and advice was made available. But realistically a senior person can’t mentor more than 2-4 people. I found myself mentoring 2 grads closely and a few other junior people more loosely. All of this was unofficial and unresourced – and I was a contractor!

In general this is another symptom of failing to resource IT properly. We should have a combination of grads and senior people who can mentor them, as well as senior people in all key roles to ensure the work is done properly. Anything less is a recipe for unravelling IT, increasing problems, pedalling faster and going backwards.

The root failure is the failure of IT management to convince general management of the strategic importance of IT to almost all modern businesses, especially financial sector businesses which are not much more than IT plus Sales. As long as IT is seen as a cost centre, these businesses are doomed. They need to see IT as critical to their performance and competitiveness, and hire (and retain) staff accordingly. Companies that fail to perceive this will end up on the scrapheap.

Posted on November 13, 2010 by Dav

Well Said, I agree. As I be made redundant and finding thing’s difficult. I been working for 15 yrs in It and banking sector.First as 2nd line support engineer and now as IT Security Analyst. The most problem I came across is recruiters have not got a clue and just want to fill a vacanies and make money. They don’t regarding experience and knowleadge learn’t and on the job training.

Posted on October 23, 2009 by Patrick Grant

Overqualified or too senior probably is ageism but proving it is not possible. I had an interesting conversation with an agent where they were saying IT Managers do not hire people older or more experienced than themselves. This is a waste of resource and talent. It also drives costs up because it effectively reduces the supply.
It is a great shame that IT Managers’ performance is not measured by the number of older and more experienced personnel they appoint. What conclusions should be drawn from an IT Manager aged 35 with no one older or more experienced working for them?

Posted on October 23, 2009 by Ray

“….. IT Managers do not hire people … more experienced than themselves.”

That doesn’t leave them with an awful lot of choice in my experience. The odd school leaver perhaps.

Posted on October 23, 2009 by Ray

“Finally, it is less common but managers feel that a candidate who comes in with an abundance of experience will want to do things their way. Whether this is true or not will be determined later, but as I said, managers want to prevent challenges as much as possible.”

Any manager who sees experience and know-how as something to be avoided at all costs is a dickhead. Pure and simple. There are companies up and down the country working with redundant technologies because of complacent idiots like this. Their only cause is to self preservation not the Company. Hey! You let someone in the door who actually knows something and they might just end up exposing these managers for the fraudsters that they are. That’s more like it.

Posted on October 24, 2009 by Chris Stevens

Ageism is rampant in the IT Recruitment industry and I’ve measured it. The worst offenders appear to be the recruitment agencies. Sadly it is just a Civil offence where the injured party has to prove the case to an Industrial Tribunal. It should be a criminal offence like Racism.

Posted on October 24, 2009 by muzza

Grads in the same boat as everyone else – desperate to find any employment.

Spot on Ray…management.101: you will rise to the level of your incompetence (pity the bar is seriously low these days), which leads on to the NSS paradigm (no s**t Sherlock): managers will *not* hire anyone that has a nanometer high chance of showing them up. Gets worse in a recession.

As for the last question: “how can we win what could be an ongoing battle with an excess of jobseekers in the future too?”. Basically you can’t because sooner or later consolidation on all fronts will reduce the requirement for IT expertise…

Posted on October 24, 2009 by tuomoks

Correct and correct but then even students have to eat – heh. Really, over 60 and “overqualified” after 35+ years, no way to get hired and I still can understand it. Yes, middle-management is running scared, who isn’t? You can be replaced very fast. Also, the cost, especially health insurance, goes up with the age and experience, there can only be such many “top dogs” who know (or at least who should know) the job, etc. So, we “old hands” have to find something else to do. It’s bad for companies / corporations in long run but who thinks long run anymore – next 3 three months and bonuses are the way to go today. Besides, the current(?) issue for managers, the more headcount, the better you look and you can really get young / outsourced people much cheaper and more than experienced, the results don’t matter much any more (at least in IT).

A long time ago my CEO (after an incident with a manager,a huge company and I was young at that time) told my manager to shut up, I was hired for my knowledge to help the company, not to do what the manager wanted for himself – do you hear that often today?

I just wonder what has happened to management training and education, and who hires them / on what premises? IT is clearly in cross-roads, not anymore young, pride and innovative but also not yet matured to the level where the long term results count?

Posted on October 24, 2009 by Duffy

How thick does a recruiter have to be to not recognise Chartered status?

Entirely in agreement with LeftGnome here. Reminds me of the first job (all 2 weeks of it) after I graduated this year; temp job on minimum wage with six of us brought on to do data transfer on a system none of us had ever seen before. It was a mess. It also brings up the point, though, that it’s not a job I would have accepted if we weren’t in a recession. £5.73/hr for office work? Ouch.

How many of these older and more experienced people are applying for jobs they’d never even consider if the job market wasn’t so bad? I’m not sure age has so much to do with it, although exprience and qualifications can only be gained with age, but a lot of recruiters will be looking at how much they’d have to pay a person and whether they can get away with employing someone with less in experience and qualifications. How many jobs are advertised with a min-max salary ‘dependent on experience’? I’m sure these people would be happy to employ a 50yo with only a degree and no experience in the field but such cnadidates are few and far between.

My point though, is that a lot of people with years of experience may be encountering this now because they’re applying for jobs so low level they’d never even consider them in better times, just as I sucked it up and did a shonky job for minimum wage just to get back in the game when two years ago I’d have laughed at it.

Posted on October 24, 2009 by Jarod

Hi, I just want to comment the degree requirement!!! some company’s only want people with a degree what I think is like racism, completely disagree with this, and with my experience in IT you will propably find the best engineers are the ones without any degree, is like stamping people and saying low quality/high quality, a degree is obviously good, but doesn’t mean you can’t accept people without a degree, this is purely c**p.

Posted on November 13, 2010 by Dav

Well said. Rightly so .

Posted on October 24, 2009 by Renee Simmons

I found that when I was out for 2 years because I was made redundant and was ill that when I tried to get a job I was continually turned down a because I was over qualified for the roles that I was going for but also because i had to take time out I couldn’t go for the roles that I had experience in it is almost a catch 22 and leaves you in limbo

Posted on October 24, 2009 by Hari

This is strangely timed. I was recently discussing this with a company that made me an offer and my current company that I am leaving (I accepted a different offer)… but the discussion centered on the inverse conclusion:

Hiring less skilled or less experienced people is a complete waste of time and money.

You’re better off hiring 2 really good IT people for £60K than 4 rubbish ones for £30K each because the most senior IT people will be so much faster and do everything better that they can easily outperform the more junior competition and empower the business better.

A lot of companies are figuring this out as well. One company that approached me stated up front “we will not upskill you, we expect you to be able to hit the ground running” and this is the implied action of all the other companies now that I can see as well. They don’t even bother training anyone any more. If you take less experienced people and upskill them, then you are just a straw for other companies to collect your hard work when your employees get good, go to work for someone else and you just go back to square one.

It causes nothing but problems to deal with less than excellent people and in reality this means that IT is not only saturated, but it simply isn’t in most companies’ interests to deal with less than senior technical staff unless they are phone only monkeys or something, but those types of jobs belong to India anyway.

You would have to be absolutely mad and stupid to try to get in to IT these days with the amount of competition and available talent, it’s ridiculous, you’d never be able to compete, millions of people would always have years of experience and skills over you and you could simply never catch up to them, they would always be the better prospective employees and therefore you end up on the scrap heap working in Tescos. I’ve seen this happen to countless grads working in other jobs because they can’t get IT jobs and I blame the universities churning out lemmings to march over that cliff…

Posted on October 25, 2009 by Mark Smith

The whole of the UK is being dumbed down so that we can all become minimum wage robots, I.T managers are useless otherwise why else would they have become ‘managers’ – they have no practical skills but love the mantra ‘I dont know a lot but I know enough ‘ and ‘enough’ tends to mean – keep anyone who is a threat out and welcome with open arms a boat load of monkey that they can ‘manage’ and use as scape goats for failures…

Posted on October 25, 2009 by Jon Jarvis

I’ve had to do serious modifications to my CV in an attempt to reduce agism – instead of saying 22 years experience in my CV, I am saying at least 5 years experience. Then I am using the current name of the University I attended instead of the name at the time I attended.

Haven’t changed my luck though. Most don’t even tell me why I’m being rejected / ignored – but with those who have sent a reply, one or two have been totally unbelievable – as it looks like they have either not read the CV, or if they have, not understood it. An example I have is that one claimed that I had no experience using Visual Basic when my CV clearly stated that I had at least 10 years experience! They did not even ask me to interview or any form of selection where they could check this out.

To make matters worse, I do not mind if I have to take a pay cut. This does not matter though – as it seems to me like they would prefer to find somebody with skills that they did not ask for in the original advertisement. Plus they can see that I would probably stay long-term (which they cannot determin with a recent graduate with little experience), as well as myself currently being on long term benefits.

I think that they are not using much (if any) foresight in their choices, as if they lose the candidates now, they may not get them back later (as the candidates will have been convinced that they are not required within the IT field). Plus, if they only accept recent graduates, they may be losing out on the benefits of the less recent graduates who may have abilities that the more recent graduates do not posses – which will limit what they can do.

I think that any employer / employment agent who does not consider the older employee is failing to fully look for an employee – even if they refuse to accept this as a fact. I personnally think that most advertisers do not fully consider most of the applicants, and that at times they are rejecting applicants just because they ‘cannot be bothered to check whether the applicants can do the job’.

Posted on October 26, 2009 by Badger

The biggest problem is the agencies. You can apply for a role that you know you can do and they will not put you forward because they consider you too experienced. Let the employer make that decision….we take the time to apply…take the time to put us forward!!!
It does seem strange that employers themselves are not taking advantage of the wealth of experience that is currently available and opting for inexperience at rates where us experienced people would still be happy to work for. They do not seem to realise that it is the people without the experience that are going to jump ship for the next run on the ladder once they have gained a bit more…

Posted on October 26, 2009 by Mark A.Branton

Why do we think this way, studying comes in many forms :: Technical College Graduates may be the ones who are in higher demand. Pure High Flyers can come from any background !
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Posted on October 26, 2009 by Mark Smith

@ Mark A.Branton

Technical College Graduates are cheap and non threatening…

Posted on October 26, 2009 by andy

Folks, all these comments fabulous to read, yet as a guy who has been in IT for years, it really would be good to hear from managers from both large and medium sized shops telling us their approach to recruitment of permanent and contract staff.
As for agencies -they’ve morphed into very unpleasant parasites to deal with!

Posted on October 27, 2009 by Hari

I’ve been interviewing a lot recently, first for myself and now for my replacement so I am on the hiring side at the moment, and it only confirms that it is a complete waste of time to deal with less than senior engineers. It’s simply too inefficient, too slow and you just end up being a straw through which people would come up and go out to other companies, so you wouldn’t even see most of the fruits of your own time/training/upskilling of your employees to the necessary levels. I am convinced by my experiences, discussions with other hiring managers that dealing with anything less than highly experienced IT people that can “hit the ground running” is a total losing strategy.

Posted on October 27, 2009 by Hari

A good example I have seen is a team of 6 where 4 of the 6 were 2nd line support. The team is crippled in terms of it’s ability to perform. I will never suggest that anyone construct a team like that ever again. Top engineers only, trim the rest. No upskilling, no newbies, no extra problems.
A team of 3 top engineers would wipe the floor with a team of 6 where most of them are no good, and yet the team of 3 would still work out the same price or less and much better value/productivity.

Posted on October 27, 2009 by Badger

Whilst I take Hari’s comment on board. What about people like myself…
I believe that I am highly skilled. I have MCTSs coming out of my ears, over 20 years development experience and have always shown extreme dedication to my employer (13 years with my last) but am a little rusty because I’ve not been able to secure a new role.
Would I be considered ‘Top’ ? because I do not seem to be…

Posted on October 27, 2009 by Hari

Unfortunately not Badger, 13 years in 1 employer is pretty bad for your career. Also, if you are rusty, then how can you be ‘Top’? People with the best skills are the top. Those are the current senior engineers. If someone else has 5 years of hardcore senior level experience and current skills, then how could you compete against them going in to an interview for the same job. Who would you pick if you were the hiring manager? The person who’ll hit the ground running or the person who needs to go back to studying?

Posted on October 28, 2009 by Badger

Interesting Hari…that’s the kind of attitude that a vast number of agencies that I have spoken to have given as well.
I agree that I would not be considered ‘Top’ because of my rustiness but I would still consider myself ‘damn good’ (especially with scores of 90%+ in MCTS exams). I would certainly be challenging the ‘Top’ people within a few weeks of ‘real’ development again.
I had reduced my salary expectations by £20k a year in order to help to secure a new role. Problem with that was the roles I was then applying for I was being told by the agencies that I am too qualified/experienced for the roles and that I would then be looking elsewhere as soon as I started, therefore they would not put me forward for them.
So what I think you are saying is if you can show you have a lack of commitment to an employer then you are more likely to get a job. To be honest I would not want to work for a company that does not value its employees enough to care about their commitment, that’s why I accepted voluntary redundancy from my last role (that wasn’t the role I’d been at for 13 years but the company we all got outsourced to)

Posted on October 28, 2009 by Hari

Studying and scores are not always comparable to real life, and if you propose such then I don’t expect you to get far. Again, who would you hire, the person who needs training and real world experience or the person who already has it all?
This is why all non-senior level engineers are now a waste of time, money and effort.

Posted on October 28, 2009 by Badger

So what you are therefore saying then is this Hari…
Unless you are currently employed at a senior level there is little to no point in applying for jobs in IT anymore. It doesn’t matter whether you have been there – done that – have the T-shirt. Because you have been out of the loop for more than 10 seconds then you are useless and might aswell put yourself on the scraphead right now. Dont bother studying/getting certifications to enhance your CV and to keep your skills up to date because it will not make a blind bit of difference.
If this is true then then pool of ‘experienced’ people will eventually die out and never be replaced.
I take your point about studying and scores not being real-life but they are a good indicator as to a level of competance in a technical discipline. What I have experienced in interview situations has actually been less real-life than exams, with an expectation of delivering the interviewers/managers view on a problem rather than a developers. Maybe this also points to the managers being managers because they could not cut the mustard at the technical level. Give answers that are technically above the managers capability….game over !!!
But then to be honest I think this is now turning into a slanging match and is going off-topic.
Is the IT industry ageist. I personally do not think so – but what I do think is that the IT industry has made the mistake of creating mid-managerial positions for people who cannot keep up with the rapid advances in the technology.

Posted on October 27, 2009 by Jon Jarvis

I too have shown dedication to my last employer – 22 years. It was not that I had avoided applying (applied to quite afew other roles in the late 80s – had no luck then either, even though they were complaining about a lack of personnel more than they are now). I may not have the certification, but what I have managed to do for my last employer is amazing – considering that I did not go on any courses until after I had started using the skills (examples being Oracle (including DBA tasks) as well as Web Development using Dreamweaver, HTML and Javascript). Other skills I have used without going on a course recently (been helping at a local charity) is CSS (Web development again).

Seem to have been to no interviews for over a year, even with these skills – and it isn’t that I am not applying – I seem to just be either ignored or rejected. I have now come to the conclusion that the so-called preospective employers are looking for sales personnel instead of IT personnel – as pure application followed by Interview is the best for sales personnel – and those persons who are poor sales personnel are usually left in a poor role or on benefits. The only way to improve the likelyhood of selecting these people is to get all applicants to demonstrate their skills during selection (pure interview will never show demonstration of the persons ability – and the potential employer will never tell how good a person will be by looking at them).

Posted on October 28, 2009 by Sean

Interesting article however it is interesting that there was no mention of disability descrimintation in the article? Like agism, it is almost impossible to prove. I have lost count how many times I “lost” contact with recruitment agencies and potential employers once they learn of my deafness (despite being a former IT graduate and almost 10 years commercial experience). Ah well, it is their loss!

For this reason, I don’t mention my “disability” (how I hate that word!) in my applications or CV at least till I get to the interview stage.

Posted on October 28, 2009 by Hari

Sean, you have my sincere apologies for your troubles. I personally would hire you if you were really good at your job/field. I don’t think that deafness is enough of a disability to be a serious impediment to IT work (unless you doing helpdesk or phone support of course). I personally am really scared of going blind, my eyes are in terrible shape after computing 16 hours a day for all these years… now that would be a show stopper if I couldn’t read my monitor. As it is I can never see the numbers on the buses I need to catch to/from work until they are right up close… occupational hazard I guess….
Well I may be a wreck after IT but at least my kid will never ever ever ever ever do IT. I’ll make certain of that.

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Posted on January 30, 2010 by Dave Hitchman

Be more realistic. What is wanted by the employers are peopel with html editing skills and no ties or family – then they can be worked for 60 hour weeks in a cold shed for a crust of bread and a bowl of potato peeling soup.
I’ve seen some cracking recent adverts for jobs in the UK:
16k for a software ‘consultant’
20-25k for a Dr qualified engineer with at least 10 years experience
upto 20k for a senior team leader.

Yes, all three were for the UK, all 3 were full time, all 3 in our industry. But then who can really blame the employers – they want max profit, don’t care about staff turnover, there are thousands of unemployed software people, and all those jobs (and others) will be sent abroad as soon as its shown they will last more than 6 months so they don’t care if the staff leave!

Posted on February 2, 2010 by Jon Jarvis

After all my experience, know that finding employment can be problematic. Gained 22 years experience within the same organisation before being made redundant – and have not found an employer who would seriously consider myself.

One indication of this is that the majority of those who I apply to ignore my application. When they do respond, it is normally a rejection without explanation (they should have a reason for rejection – and I consider it polite for them to specify why they are rejecting as an indication that they did consider the applicant). Of the rest, I find they give any excuse to reject – even that the applicant does not have any experience within an area listed on the CV (and they obviously did not check the CV – or asked the person to come around to demonstrate that they are able to do what they say).

Also, I suspect that there is some “disability discrimination” within the area. The Employers would argue against this – as it is probably illegal – and be able to quote the odd time that they did employ somebody who is “disabled”, making it harder to prove in court. Think that that could affect myself – as I have what can be termed as a ‘disability’ – which may occasionally be noticed when I talk, but which is not a major problem the majority of time. Also consider that agism also affects my chances.

Also, some employers do not want to send new employees into training. This can be short sighted, considering that some of the software engineers have been on long term benefits due to the employers failure to fully consider them. Hence, the employer having issues about the long-term employed could at times be considered as the employers having issues about themselves failing to employ these persons.

Also, they should be concerned about Staff Turnover – as the turnover will cost them – what with advertising the roll, etc. Also, keeping all those Software Engineers on benefits will cost the state, and the sate can only pass these costs to everybody – including these employers, hence I consider that they are being rather short sighted.

Other short sighted ideas from the employers include such things as ‘must have online examples of the applicants work’ How does the employer know that the examples given are actual examples – as some applicants may claim any web pages are their work – why not ask them to attend a selection procedure where the applicant has to demonstrate that they can do the work (and I do not mean by doing something like a multiple choice questionaire or an IQ test). I have experience of doing web work, and I know that none of my work was available on the web – as a result most of these employers who ask for online work have automatically excluded myself.

Personally, I think that the employers just do not care – they just want to claim that there is a demand (when they are not employing) – and then try to make the work less attractive just to stop people ‘who cannot do the work’ from applying by any method which does not cost them.

I agree that the employers do not care – about what they say or what they do. It is no wonder that some of the people who they need do not believe these ‘Employers’ any more.

Posted on February 28, 2010 by My life in fail.. « My Life in Fail

[...] http://blog.theitjobboard.co.uk/2009/10/are-graduates-stealing-your-jobs/ (this one is a very interesting read – deals more with IT which is my area of things and the comments i certainly agree with) [...]

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Posted on November 15, 2010 by Jon Jarvis

Think my problem is more than ageism – think that there is other discriminatory practices at work as well, such as disability discrimination. With things like Age / Disability / Colour / Creed / Sex / etc, these should all be treated as differences and not used as a reason to reject or offer a role. For one, I know a ‘mentally disabled’ person with an above average IQ!

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